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		<title>By: Rainer Brockerhoff</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-33883</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Brockerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mike: all your arguments have been addressed over and over in my posts; my final conclusions are in &lt;a href=&quot;http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a more recent post&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s just an engineering matter. (Comments here are now closed.)
&quot;...how much did they pay you?&quot; :-) it&#039;s the other way around; I&#039;ve paid &lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt; many thousands of dollars over the years for developer programs, WWDC, Macs and iPads...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike: all your arguments have been addressed over and over in my posts; my final conclusions are in <a href="http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">a more recent post</a>. It&#8217;s just an engineering matter. (Comments here are now closed.)<br />
&#8220;&#8230;how much did they pay you?&#8221; <img src='http://brockerhoff.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  it&#8217;s the other way around; I&#8217;ve paid <em>them</em> many thousands of dollars over the years for developer programs, WWDC, Macs and iPads&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-33762</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 03:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re trying to prove here, micro USB3 has an extra pin over lightning. Singularity says more pins does not make a better connector, that&#039;s lies! More pins means more channels, USB has fatter pins, which also means better current capacity.  How you use the pins is entirely up to you. You say the lightning-to-USB has a chip to make the adapter work, but somehow MHL needing a chip is a big no-no in comparison.

To be frank, I&#039;m just seeing a lot of pro-apple bias in this article, how much did they pay you?

The only negative thing I see about the micro USB 3.0 over the lighting is perhaps the size, so maybe apple miniaturized the micro usb connector, big whoop! Reversibility? Since when is that even an issue? there are two little teeth on the flat side of the micro USB, the other side has no teeth, and it&#039;s chamfered. The teeth are always pointed towards the back of the phone, I mean come on, even a blind person could figure out how to put it in.

I&#039;m pretty sure Apple is just trying to appeal to an audience who have such empty heads that they could fit the ipod classic generation 1 in their skull and still have space left over. Give me a magsafe USB 3.0 and I&#039;ll be happy, that magsafe is just about the only useful thing Apple has done recently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re trying to prove here, micro USB3 has an extra pin over lightning. Singularity says more pins does not make a better connector, that&#8217;s lies! More pins means more channels, USB has fatter pins, which also means better current capacity.  How you use the pins is entirely up to you. You say the lightning-to-USB has a chip to make the adapter work, but somehow MHL needing a chip is a big no-no in comparison.</p>
<p>To be frank, I&#8217;m just seeing a lot of pro-apple bias in this article, how much did they pay you?</p>
<p>The only negative thing I see about the micro USB 3.0 over the lighting is perhaps the size, so maybe apple miniaturized the micro usb connector, big whoop! Reversibility? Since when is that even an issue? there are two little teeth on the flat side of the micro USB, the other side has no teeth, and it&#8217;s chamfered. The teeth are always pointed towards the back of the phone, I mean come on, even a blind person could figure out how to put it in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Apple is just trying to appeal to an audience who have such empty heads that they could fit the ipod classic generation 1 in their skull and still have space left over. Give me a magsafe USB 3.0 and I&#8217;ll be happy, that magsafe is just about the only useful thing Apple has done recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Brockerhoff</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-24123</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Brockerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See &lt;a href=&quot;http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/&quot; title=&quot;Boom: Pins&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my latest post&lt;/a&gt; for a summary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/" title="Boom: Pins" rel="nofollow">my latest post</a> for a summary.</p>
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		<title>By: singularity</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-24086</link>
		<dc:creator>singularity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 03:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;MHL needs a separate controller chip.&quot; Yeah, which would have cost Apple a few more pennies for each phone.
 
&quot;The MHL adapter costs the same as the Lightning adapter.&quot; Yeah, but you have a standard micro USB port which means more compatibility with third party devices.

My point about the USB end was that it&#039;s USB2 which is also used by the 30 pin connector Apple used to use and micro USB so there&#039;s no advantage there. USB3 has 9 pins so lightning which has 8 pins is incompatible with USB3. There could be more pins that I don&#039;t know about, but if it&#039;s 8 pins then it won&#039;t work with USB3. Apple would have to design a work around. 

Btw, more pins doesn&#039;t automatically make it superior. Otherwise, the older 30 pin connector would be superior, which it is not. Anyway, my whole point is that there is no advantage in lightning for consumers(other than reversibility).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MHL needs a separate controller chip.&#8221; Yeah, which would have cost Apple a few more pennies for each phone.</p>
<p>&#8220;The MHL adapter costs the same as the Lightning adapter.&#8221; Yeah, but you have a standard micro USB port which means more compatibility with third party devices.</p>
<p>My point about the USB end was that it&#8217;s USB2 which is also used by the 30 pin connector Apple used to use and micro USB so there&#8217;s no advantage there. USB3 has 9 pins so lightning which has 8 pins is incompatible with USB3. There could be more pins that I don&#8217;t know about, but if it&#8217;s 8 pins then it won&#8217;t work with USB3. Apple would have to design a work around. </p>
<p>Btw, more pins doesn&#8217;t automatically make it superior. Otherwise, the older 30 pin connector would be superior, which it is not. Anyway, my whole point is that there is no advantage in lightning for consumers(other than reversibility).</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Brockerhoff</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-24083</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Brockerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@singularity: &quot;MHL can handle video and audio&quot; as I said, MHL needs a separate controller chip. The MHL adapter costs the same as the Lightning adapter.
&quot;the other end of lightning is USB&quot; no, that&#039;s the other end of the USB cable :-)
&quot;lightning has only 8 pins so currently there is no way it can support USB3&quot;. This seems to be such a common misconception, I&#039;m working on another post specifically about this. Stay tuned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@singularity: &#8220;MHL can handle video and audio&#8221; as I said, MHL needs a separate controller chip. The MHL adapter costs the same as the Lightning adapter.<br />
&#8220;the other end of lightning is USB&#8221; no, that&#8217;s the other end of the USB cable <img src='http://brockerhoff.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&#8220;lightning has only 8 pins so currently there is no way it can support USB3&#8243;. This seems to be such a common misconception, I&#8217;m working on another post specifically about this. Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: singularity</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-24082</link>
		<dc:creator>singularity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&#039; “Like you said everything could have been done through micro usb&#039;:no, I definitely said the opposite. To repeat yet again, it couldn’t have all been done over any variety of USB, at least not within the space and weight constraints they set.&quot;

come on, you&#039;re knit picking at words here. I&#039;m pretty sure you know what I mean. MHL can handle video and audio. Yeah, the weight of the phone might be slightly more, but its not like the 4s was a brick. Honestly, as a consumer I would sacrifice a little weight to have an industry standard.

&quot;as an engineer, I believe they did well.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure why you think that, but the reasons you stated aren&#039;t good enough to justify building a proprietary connector. There&#039;s really no advantage because the other end of lightning is USB. Yeah, lightning might be for the future iPad but that&#039;s not even out yet. Btw, lightning has only 8 pins so currently there is no way it can support USB3. Industry standards are good for progress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216; “Like you said everything could have been done through micro usb&#8217;:no, I definitely said the opposite. To repeat yet again, it couldn’t have all been done over any variety of USB, at least not within the space and weight constraints they set.&#8221;</p>
<p>come on, you&#8217;re knit picking at words here. I&#8217;m pretty sure you know what I mean. MHL can handle video and audio. Yeah, the weight of the phone might be slightly more, but its not like the 4s was a brick. Honestly, as a consumer I would sacrifice a little weight to have an industry standard.</p>
<p>&#8220;as an engineer, I believe they did well.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you think that, but the reasons you stated aren&#8217;t good enough to justify building a proprietary connector. There&#8217;s really no advantage because the other end of lightning is USB. Yeah, lightning might be for the future iPad but that&#8217;s not even out yet. Btw, lightning has only 8 pins so currently there is no way it can support USB3. Industry standards are good for progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Brockerhoff</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-24081</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Brockerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@singularity: &quot;Like you said everything could have been done through micro usb&quot;: no, I definitely said the opposite. To repeat yet again, it couldn&#039;t have all been done over any variety of USB, at least not within the space and weight constraints they set.
&quot;the main reason Apple went with lightning over micro USB is so that they can make more money&quot;: I agree to a point, but they want to make more money in the long run - by having more and better expansion options in the next 10 years - not by selling cables or adapters. This is best done by making a robust connector with an open-ended design. As a stockholder I fully approve; as an engineer, I believe they did well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@singularity: &#8220;Like you said everything could have been done through micro usb&#8221;: no, I definitely said the opposite. To repeat yet again, it couldn&#8217;t have all been done over any variety of USB, at least not within the space and weight constraints they set.<br />
&#8220;the main reason Apple went with lightning over micro USB is so that they can make more money&#8221;: I agree to a point, but they want to make more money in the long run &#8211; by having more and better expansion options in the next 10 years &#8211; not by selling cables or adapters. This is best done by making a robust connector with an open-ended design. As a stockholder I fully approve; as an engineer, I believe they did well.</p>
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		<title>By: singularity</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-24080</link>
		<dc:creator>singularity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reasons you state are not enough to justify building a proprietary cable. Other companies face the same constraints. Like you said everything could have been done through micro usb. Yeah, it might cost Apple a few more pennies per phone and make them less money from cables, but it would have benefited consumers by being compatible with more devices. So basically the main reason Apple went with lightning over micro USB is so that they can make more money. 

I don&#039;t really see anything nothing wrong with that (they&#039;re a business after all). Although, I&#039;m not sure why people always try to spin Apple&#039;s moves as the result of always putting consumers first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reasons you state are not enough to justify building a proprietary cable. Other companies face the same constraints. Like you said everything could have been done through micro usb. Yeah, it might cost Apple a few more pennies per phone and make them less money from cables, but it would have benefited consumers by being compatible with more devices. So basically the main reason Apple went with lightning over micro USB is so that they can make more money. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really see anything nothing wrong with that (they&#8217;re a business after all). Although, I&#8217;m not sure why people always try to spin Apple&#8217;s moves as the result of always putting consumers first.</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Brockerhoff</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-23995</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Brockerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, I was already preparing &lt;a href=&quot;http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/21/boom-teardown/&quot; title=&quot;Boom: Teardown&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post about it&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I was already preparing <a href="http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/21/boom-teardown/" title="Boom: Teardown" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">a post about it</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: someone</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-23993</link>
		<dc:creator>someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may find this interesting.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-5-Teardown/10525/1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may find this interesting.<br />
<a href="http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-5-Teardown/10525/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-5-Teardown/10525/1</a></p>
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		<title>By: someone</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-23895</link>
		<dc:creator>someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely it would be several times faster than USB2 even if it wasn&#039;t saturating the link...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it would be several times faster than USB2 even if it wasn&#8217;t saturating the link&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Brockerhoff</title>
		<link>http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-23894</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Brockerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;why would it need to saturate the connection?&quot; well, they&#039;d have to choose between people whining about &quot;there&#039;s no USB3&quot; or &quot;their crummy USB3 works only at USB2 speeds&quot; :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why would it need to saturate the connection?&#8221; well, they&#8217;d have to choose between people whining about &#8220;there&#8217;s no USB3&#8243; or &#8220;their crummy USB3 works only at USB2 speeds&#8221; <img src='http://brockerhoff.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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